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		<title>Comment on Newsletter &#8211; Spring 2013 by Spring 2013 HistorySOTL Newsletter Posted &#171; HistorySOTL</title>
		<link>http://www.indiana.edu/~histsotl/blog/?page_id=1762&#038;cpage=1#comment-1892</link>
		<dc:creator>Spring 2013 HistorySOTL Newsletter Posted &#171; HistorySOTL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Web links by slatta</title>
		<link>http://www.indiana.edu/~histsotl/blog/?page_id=19&#038;cpage=1#comment-1853</link>
		<dc:creator>slatta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 17:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[web-based resources make it possible to engage students with primary sources, regardless of their geographical location. I&#039;ve developed extensive primary source links for the history of the American West at http://go.ncsu.edu/cowboys Please feel free to use these in your own teaching and suggest additions. 

For examples of SoTL using these materials see Slatta, Guest editor, special issue on “Teaching about the West.” Journal of the West, 46:  2 (Spring 2007). 
Slatta	“Introduction:  Teaching about the West.” Journal of the West, 46:  2 (Spring 2007):  11-13.
Slatta	with Maxine P. Atkinson, “Using Primary Sources Online:   An Inquiry-guided Approach to Teaching Western History,” Journal of the West, 46:  2 (Spring 2007):  14-21.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>web-based resources make it possible to engage students with primary sources, regardless of their geographical location. I&#8217;ve developed extensive primary source links for the history of the American West at <a href="http://go.ncsu.edu/cowboys" rel="nofollow">http://go.ncsu.edu/cowboys</a> Please feel free to use these in your own teaching and suggest additions. </p>
<p>For examples of SoTL using these materials see Slatta, Guest editor, special issue on “Teaching about the West.” Journal of the West, 46:  2 (Spring 2007).<br />
Slatta	“Introduction:  Teaching about the West.” Journal of the West, 46:  2 (Spring 2007):  11-13.<br />
Slatta	with Maxine P. Atkinson, “Using Primary Sources Online:   An Inquiry-guided Approach to Teaching Western History,” Journal of the West, 46:  2 (Spring 2007):  14-21.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Newsletter &#8211; Spring 2011 by slatta</title>
		<link>http://www.indiana.edu/~histsotl/blog/?page_id=1503&#038;cpage=1#comment-1852</link>
		<dc:creator>slatta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 17:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My experience with undergraduates at North Carolina State University mirrors the findings of the Australian study on historical thinking. If students are not invited (compelled?) to function as apprentice historians, they cannot possibly gain sophistication in historical thinking. We must move them out of their comfort zone as passive consumers of history produced by others to the role of producers of history. We do this by forcing serious engagement with primary sources and the act of critical evaluation and analysis of evidence. For an elaboration, see &quot;Our approach&quot; on my home page http://go.ncsu.edu/slatta]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My experience with undergraduates at North Carolina State University mirrors the findings of the Australian study on historical thinking. If students are not invited (compelled?) to function as apprentice historians, they cannot possibly gain sophistication in historical thinking. We must move them out of their comfort zone as passive consumers of history produced by others to the role of producers of history. We do this by forcing serious engagement with primary sources and the act of critical evaluation and analysis of evidence. For an elaboration, see &#8220;Our approach&#8221; on my home page <a href="http://go.ncsu.edu/slatta" rel="nofollow">http://go.ncsu.edu/slatta</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Newsletter &#8211; Spring 2011 by HistorySOTL &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Spring 2011 Newsletter Posted</title>
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		<dc:creator>HistorySOTL &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Spring 2011 Newsletter Posted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on History for our children? by jmartin1704</title>
		<link>http://www.indiana.edu/~histsotl/blog/?p=1465&#038;cpage=1#comment-1821</link>
		<dc:creator>jmartin1704</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 13:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello Andrew and Leah, thank you for the input.

Academically, I&#039;m interested in how kids learn generally, whether young or older, in all settings. More specifically, however, most of my experience and interaction is with fairly young children (say up to 10 years old or so) in informal settings.

You&#039;ve both given me a lot of food for thought, the idea of &quot;identity&quot; and what you describe, Leah, as &quot;the basis upon which they take a position in relation to things happening in the world&quot; ... I need to think some more about this.

Also the idea that role-playing is something one needs to be careful with is good to remember. I don&#039;t know if you&#039;ve heard about the American teacher who used to teach the children about racism by doing a two-day exercise where blue-eyed children and brown-eyed children were alternately treated preferentially and the opposite? It was really interesting, when I watched the program at first I thought it was a terrible idea and would do the kids more harm than good, but afterwards I could see that it had been successful. If you&#039;re interested I think there might be part of the program on youtube.

Cassie]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Andrew and Leah, thank you for the input.</p>
<p>Academically, I&#8217;m interested in how kids learn generally, whether young or older, in all settings. More specifically, however, most of my experience and interaction is with fairly young children (say up to 10 years old or so) in informal settings.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve both given me a lot of food for thought, the idea of &#8220;identity&#8221; and what you describe, Leah, as &#8220;the basis upon which they take a position in relation to things happening in the world&#8221; &#8230; I need to think some more about this.</p>
<p>Also the idea that role-playing is something one needs to be careful with is good to remember. I don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;ve heard about the American teacher who used to teach the children about racism by doing a two-day exercise where blue-eyed children and brown-eyed children were alternately treated preferentially and the opposite? It was really interesting, when I watched the program at first I thought it was a terrible idea and would do the kids more harm than good, but afterwards I could see that it had been successful. If you&#8217;re interested I think there might be part of the program on youtube.</p>
<p>Cassie</p>
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		<title>Comment on HistSOTL members present at ISSOTL 2010 Liverpool by jmartin1704</title>
		<link>http://www.indiana.edu/~histsotl/blog/?p=1470&#038;cpage=1#comment-1820</link>
		<dc:creator>jmartin1704</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 13:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Andrew, like the photos. LOL :)

I might go and look for a picture for my post too!

Cassie]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andrew, like the photos. LOL <img src='http://www.indiana.edu/~histsotl/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I might go and look for a picture for my post too!</p>
<p>Cassie</p>
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		<title>Comment on History for our children? by Shopkow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shopkow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2010 18:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Cassie!

It is very much worthwhile talking to teens and other children about what is going on in the world today, but if you want them to think about it historically, you would have to ask them to think both ways, not only about what future people might think, but also about what people in the past might think. And a really important question for them to think about is the basis upon which they take a position in relation to things happening in the world (the assumptions and presuppositions they bring to that decision-making process).

Histories are stories we tell ourselves about the past to help us make sense of the present. The _Child&#039;s History of England_ was written for Victorian children to tell them about where they fit in the world. But the really important thing about history is that it isn&#039;t a done deal. The &quot;judgment of history&quot; changes all the time, depending on what those doing the judging need from the past.

I really want children to understand that about history. That said, trying to understand why people in the past did the things they did and thought the things they thought is really valuable (and has obvious modern applications). So good role-playing can work, but bad role-playing tends to reinforce presentism--judging the past by the standard of the present.

Leah Shopkow]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Cassie!</p>
<p>It is very much worthwhile talking to teens and other children about what is going on in the world today, but if you want them to think about it historically, you would have to ask them to think both ways, not only about what future people might think, but also about what people in the past might think. And a really important question for them to think about is the basis upon which they take a position in relation to things happening in the world (the assumptions and presuppositions they bring to that decision-making process).</p>
<p>Histories are stories we tell ourselves about the past to help us make sense of the present. The _Child&#8217;s History of England_ was written for Victorian children to tell them about where they fit in the world. But the really important thing about history is that it isn&#8217;t a done deal. The &#8220;judgment of history&#8221; changes all the time, depending on what those doing the judging need from the past.</p>
<p>I really want children to understand that about history. That said, trying to understand why people in the past did the things they did and thought the things they thought is really valuable (and has obvious modern applications). So good role-playing can work, but bad role-playing tends to reinforce presentism&#8211;judging the past by the standard of the present.</p>
<p>Leah Shopkow</p>
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		<title>Comment on History for our children? by Andrew Koke</title>
		<link>http://www.indiana.edu/~histsotl/blog/?p=1465&#038;cpage=1#comment-1818</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Koke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Cassie, and thanks for your comments.
I&#039;m wondering if you could clarify your question a bit.  How young are the young people?  What is the setting (ie, home or elementary school, or someplace else like a public library)?  
One thing that came to mind, an idea that I am working with presently, comes from James Paul Gee&#039;s work on video games and learning (see jamespaulgee.com).  Gee had wondered why his kids so quickly learned entirely new concepts and symbolic languages when playing games, a type of learning that typically takes much longer time.  He found that games combine a few crucial elements that increase the learner&#039;s retention.  First, they allow self-discovery and exploration.  Second, they usually involve the player&#039;s identity (ie, the player identifies with a character).  Third, games permit learning from failure and reward eventually overcoming a difficult task.  Gee identifies other elements to good learning as well.
The historian can take several things from this.  Most obviously, we could incorporate more games in our classrooms, but this is logistically difficult and I, for one, am still working out how best to do this.  More importantly and more easily, however, we can incorporate Gee&#039;s game elements into our teaching: allow students to fail and then succeed more, allow students to explore more, and especially be sure that students identify in some fashion with the history.
This last concept of identity is what I think you are getting at with your comment on bringing history to life.  History matters only when it matters to the individual, otherwise it is relegated to trivia.  We don&#039;t want to teach trivia; we want to teach identity.
What do you think?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Cassie, and thanks for your comments.<br />
I&#8217;m wondering if you could clarify your question a bit.  How young are the young people?  What is the setting (ie, home or elementary school, or someplace else like a public library)?<br />
One thing that came to mind, an idea that I am working with presently, comes from James Paul Gee&#8217;s work on video games and learning (see jamespaulgee.com).  Gee had wondered why his kids so quickly learned entirely new concepts and symbolic languages when playing games, a type of learning that typically takes much longer time.  He found that games combine a few crucial elements that increase the learner&#8217;s retention.  First, they allow self-discovery and exploration.  Second, they usually involve the player&#8217;s identity (ie, the player identifies with a character).  Third, games permit learning from failure and reward eventually overcoming a difficult task.  Gee identifies other elements to good learning as well.<br />
The historian can take several things from this.  Most obviously, we could incorporate more games in our classrooms, but this is logistically difficult and I, for one, am still working out how best to do this.  More importantly and more easily, however, we can incorporate Gee&#8217;s game elements into our teaching: allow students to fail and then succeed more, allow students to explore more, and especially be sure that students identify in some fashion with the history.<br />
This last concept of identity is what I think you are getting at with your comment on bringing history to life.  History matters only when it matters to the individual, otherwise it is relegated to trivia.  We don&#8217;t want to teach trivia; we want to teach identity.<br />
What do you think?</p>
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		<title>Comment on New HistorySOTL Blog Up and Running by Andrew Koke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Koke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like the new look!  Plus these comments are working again!  And greater security?  That surely means less work for the webmaster!  Well done, HistorySOTL.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the new look!  Plus these comments are working again!  And greater security?  That surely means less work for the webmaster!  Well done, HistorySOTL.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Report from the 12th Annual Teaching and Learning in History Conference, Oxford by Webmaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Webmaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 21:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The webmaster enjoyed this conference.]]></description>
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